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Naval Special Warfare rumored to be dropping SIGs for G19s

Increasingly, rumors are filtering through the interwebs, confirmed by those close to the shadowy Navy Seal community that the nation’s preeminent special operators are going Glock to phase out a number of SIG pistols they have carried for generations.

Unofficial use by the Uncle

Using personal funds, Glocks to include the G22, G17 and G19 series have been used by numerous individual soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines deploying downrange since 9/11. There has long been an NSN for the Glock 19, which allows for small-scale buys with unit funds (such as inside AFSOC units), which, coupled with personal weapons, would explain numerous images of U.S. joes and aircrew with Glocks.

Further, troops seem to love getting their hands on them with Allies overseas.

U.S. Marine Corps Sgt. Maj. Ansil Lewis, Weapons Training Battalion Sgt. Maj., fires a Glock 17 pistol the Royal Marine Operational Shooting Competition (RMOSC), hosted by the British Royal Marines at Altrar Training Camp, Hightown, England, Sept. 9-16, 2015. The purpose of the RMOSC is to evaluate the marksmanship skill, and physical and operational abilities of American, British, French, and Dutch Marines in combat related shooting matches by utilizing realistic structures, fast-moving targets, and movement to contact drills. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Timothy Turner/Released)

U.S. Marine Corps Sgt. Maj. Ansil Lewis, Weapons Training Battalion Sgt. Maj., fires a Glock 17 pistol the Royal Marine Operational Shooting Competition (RMOSC), hosted by the British Royal Marines at Altrar Training Camp, Hightown, England, Sept. 9-16, 2015. The purpose of the RMOSC is to evaluate the marksmanship skill, and physical and operational abilities of American, British, French, and Dutch Marines in combat related shooting matches by utilizing realistic structures, fast-moving targets, and movement to contact drills. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Timothy Turner/Released)

Joseph Trevithick over at War Is Boring in September detailed an extensive move by special operations elements inside the military to acquire Glocks by any means necessary.

This included the transfer of 2,500 Glocks from the Dept. of Homeland Security to the Special Operations Command (SOCOM) in 2010.

“The transfer allowed DHS to divest itself of excess weapons and fill a USSOCOM requirement,” a public affairs officer at SOCOM told War Is Boring in an email. “USSOCOM incurred no obligation to DHS in return.”

This was followed up this year by orders from the Marines of Gen. 3 and 4 Glock 19s for certain units of MARSOC, the Leatherneck’s special operations command.

Trevithick did the digging on the fact that the Army has ordered 1,600 G19s of their own and (wait for it) three select-fire Model 18s. There is also a contract believed to be worth some $12 million for even more Glocks for Big Green.

In short, the commandos and raiders who make up the sharpest end of the spear dig the Glock. Then there is…

Naval Special Warfare Command, whose East Coast teams have apparently picked up some Gen 3 G19s for testing to replace both the Sig P239 and P226R/Mk25, and like what they see.

SEAL training

Read more in my column at Glock Forum

Quiet Glock use by the U.S. military

Increasingly, various model Glocks are showing up overseas in the hands of the country’s elite forces, which could have interesting implications for the upcoming Army handgun contract.

Widespread adoption around the world

Its should be mentioned that the entire reason Glock handguns exist is that in the late 1970s Gaston Glock went vying for the Austrian Army contract to replace their 1950s era Steyr pistols with something more modern. The result, adopted as the Pistole 80 in Austria, was modified ever so slightly and sold on the world market as the first generation G17.

Since then the company has gone on to win contracts to supply the militaries of some of our closest allies to include France, Israel, Holland, Norway, Denmark and Sweden with various model Glocks.

In 2013, the British Army announced they were replacing their standard sidearm, the John Browning-designed Hi Power with the Glock 17. In all, the Queen decided to purchase some 25,000 new fourth Generation Glock 17s at a price of $14.5-million. This breaks down to about $580 per new pistol, which is slightly less than the MSRP of a new Glock 17. However, you can be sure that Gaston is probably throwing in a few extra magazines and spare parts as value added.

For law enforcement use in the U.S., the Glock is the weapon of choice more often than not. A recent survey of some 6,000 law enforcement officers from across the country conducted by a police website found that some 68 percent of all respondents carried Glocks and, further, an impressive 61 percent would choose the gun if given an option. This validates the company’s often-cited claim that approximately “65 percent of police departments in America already put a Glock police pistol in between them and the problem.”

Further, the Federal government loves Glocks, with most of the Department of Justice (FBI, DEA, ATF, etc.) issuing the .40S&W Glock 22 in various models over the past decades.

This likely led to the decision by the U.S. to buy over 100,000 Glocks for the new police forces of Afghanistan and Iraq in recent years.

And, very quietly, they have been popping up in service with Leathernecks and Joes at the sharp end.

Iraqi Police Academy marksmanship competition

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Will Glock be the next U.S. military handgun?

With the competition heating up on the Army’s Modular Handgun System bidding process, expected to garner as many as a half million new pistols to replace the military’ current stock of sidearms, the short list includes seems to include a certain polymer wonder from Austria.

In 2013, the U.S. Army requested bids for what they called their Modular Handgun System. This would be a commercially available off the shelf replacement for their current handguns, namely the Beretta 92F (adopted in 1986 as the M9) and the Sig-Sauer P-228 (adopted in 1990 as the M11). The former is used by all branches of the Department of Defense military (the Coast Guard uses P-229R pistols along with most of the rest of the Department of Homeland Security). Primarily investigators and military police use the M11.

What the Army wants to phase these guns out is an accurate handgun (at a range of 50-meters/164-feet, it has to have a 90% or better probability of hit on a 4 inch circle when fired from a test fixture). It needs an accessory rail and capability to have a threaded barrel to accept tactical lights, lasers, and sound suppressors as needed. It also should have enhanced ergonomics so that most females can handle it. Other requirements are an at least 35,000 round Service Life and the ability to provide up to 550,000 handguns with U.S.-based production after the third year of the contract.

Oh yeah, and it will likely not be a 9mm.

In an interview earlier this year with Army Times, Daryl Easlick, a project officer with the Army’s Maneuver Center of Excellence at Fort Benning, Ga, said that the legacy round, adopted in 1986, is somewhat dead in the water.

“The 9mm doesn’t score high with soldier feedback,” said Easlick, explaining that the Army, and the other services, want a round that will have better terminal effects — or cause more damage — when it hits enemy combatants. “We have to do better than our current 9mm.”

Since .40S&W doesn’t suppress well, and service life of guns chambered in that round is not seen as being as long as that of .45ACP caliber weapons, the new round may be the good old .45– which is still in service with Marine special ops units and the SOCCOM commando’s Mk.23 offensive handgun.

norwegian commando with glock 17

Why Glock is a contender? Read more in my article at Glock Forum.