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Have you heard of the Udav? It could be the coolest milsurp bargain handgun in 50 yrs

So back in the early 2000s, TsNIITochMash in Klimovsk near Moscow– the same storied R&D bureau that has crafted dozens of specialist weapons since WWII such as the VSS Vintorez subsonic sniper carbine, the APS underwater rifle, and the PSS suppressed pistol —came up with the SR-1 Vektor, or SPS pistol.

The Vektor. Yes, it’s wonky, but dig the 9x21mm Gyurza rounds it uses (Photo: TASS)

The SPS, chambered in 9x21mm Gyurza (a very spicy SMG round that runs like 1,300fps in a 110-grain AP loading) uses an 18 round mag and has been in service with security and police tactical units since about 2004.

The CP2 (SR2) Veresk (Heather) is a very compact Russian submachine gun that borders on being a machine pistol designed to fire the 9×21mm Gyurza pistol cartridge as well.

Fast forward 15 years and TsNIITochMash’s new Udav (Russian= boa constrictor) is a ramped up development of it which is more of a full-sized offering that includes features that are common for “combat handguns” in the West (front slide serrations, accessory rail, threaded barrel) while still keeping that really curious Gyurza chambering and an 18+1 capacity.

Its new brother, the Udav. (Photo: TsNIITochMash)

It just won a trial to replace the old-school Makarov PM in the Russian military, and Rostec (who exports all of the country’s weapons from submarines to MiGs and AKs) plans on selling it far and wide.

More in my column at Guns.com

Bergmann’s rare MP35

Here we see German gerbisjager mountain troops from the Prinz Eugen Division help each other in climbing a mountain rock in the Dinaric Alps, Croatia in 1943. If the submachine gun looks odd, that’s because it is the rather rare Bergmann MP35.

Theodor Bergmann, born in Bavaria in 1850, started a company to make bicycles and later early automobiles that bore his name in the factory town of Suhl. Later, in 1893, his Bergmann Industriewerke started making semi-automatic handguns as a side business (Waffenbrink) that saw limited success. However, they sold better than his cars did and he sold that branch of his factory to a young man named Carl Benz (yes, of Mercedes-Benz).

In World War I, Bergmann himself designed a light machine gun, the MG 15nA, which saw limited service during the conflict and some later overseas sales:

However, his company was best known for the 9mm Bergmann Maschinenpistole 18/1 (MP18) designed by the later-legendary Hugo Schmeisser towards the tail end of the conflict. In April 1918, the Imperial German Army placed an order for 50,000 of the new firearm. Envisioned to equip six Stosstruppen (Stormtroopers) per infantry company fewer than 12,500 were produced before the end of the war of which only an estimated 70 percent of those ever made it to the Western front. It was the first practical production submachine gun to achieve widespread service with any country. While the German police kept a handful of these, most were turned over to the victorious Allies in 1919.

Unable to keep making these guns in Germany on account of the Versailles Treaty, Bergmann licensed production in Switzerland to SIG who produced an estimated 30,000 of the weapons in both 9x19mm, 7.63x 25 mm and 7.65x 21mm between the two world wars for Japan, Spain, Finland, China and a number of Latin American countries. Nationalist China, hungry for weapons to feed its Civil War, made unlicensed copies in its Jinan Arsenal in the 1920s.

When Hitler came to power in 1932, Germany started a quiet and then later very public rearmament and the Bergmann works in Suhl went back to work– although with a different design.

The Danish military had an on-again/off-again relationship for decades with Bergmann’s weapons. They adopted a number of handgun designs and the MG 15nA in small numbers for both military and police use. Their Danish partner company, Schultz & Larsen (who still exist today making, ironically, very fine target and hunting variants of the K98 Mauser rifle), put one of their designs, the Bergmann-Maschinen-Pistole, which was designed by Emil Bergmann, ol’ Theodor’s son, into limited production. This sub gun, the MP32, was produced in the 9x23mm Bergmann matching their Bergmann M1910/21 handguns and favored the earlier MP18 although had a very interesting non-reciprocating cocking handle placed at the rear of the receiver reminiscent of a bolt-action rifle. Select-fire, it had a two-stage trigger that was semi-auto when pulling the trigger back slightly, full-auto when held back all the way– so it wasn’t a gun you wanted to have a bad case of the trigger-slap with!

This gun was later revamped slightly by Bergmann for production for both export and domestic production in 9mm Bergmann as the BMP34, which were actually built under contract by Walther as Bergmann’s factory had largely demobilized to accommodate small contracts with Siam (now Thailand) and Bolivia (who was engaged at the time in a harsh war with her neighbors). In all its estimated that Walther made fewer than 2,000 of the Bergmann burp guns before the Emil designed the final version of his gun, the MP-35.

The gun was a simple blowback sub gun in 9×19 mm (Luger) that used an open-bolt. Short and long versions, with 7.9-inch and 12.6-inch barrels respectively, were made which gave the carbine an overall length of 33 and 38 inches accordingly. Weight, due to its heavy one-piece wood stock, varied between 9-10 pounds depending on the model, which allowed the gun to be very controllable in recoil, hanging on target when fired rather than rising. Further, the gun could accept the standard Mauser-style bayonet. The MP35 had a low cyclic rate, just 500 or so rounds per minute that allowed the 20 round double-stack stick mag inserted horizontally on the right-hand side of the gun to last a few seconds at least. Later mags had a larger capacity and some wartime production used Schmeisser MP28 mags.

With Walther continuing production of the MP35/I, some 5,000 were made, winning export contracts overseas with Halle Selassie’s Ethiopia, Republican Spain purchased by Communist agents and the Royal Swedish Army (who bought 1,800 guns and adopted it as the kpist M/39).

The Walther-made Bergmann BMP34 m/39 sub gun Via Gotavapen.se http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/kpist/swede_45.htm

By 1940, with Germany entering in large arms contracts in the second year of World War II, Walther was neck-deep in trying to make their own P-38 pistols and other guns and kicked Bergmann’s small-scale sub gun project off the line. Emil shopped around and was able to move the manufacture to Junker and Ruh AG of Karlsruhe, a company (still around) that made sewing machines, stoves, and small appliances.

Subsequently, over 40,000 J&R-built MP35/I’s were made through the war years for the Germany military– and were mostly used by Waffen SS units on the Eastern front and those accepted as such will often be marked “SS ZZA1” (SS-Zentralzeugamt 1).

Post War use

With the end of the war, many of the Bergmann guns were captured by the Soviets who later repurposed them as military aid to Communist groups in Africa and countries friendly to Moscow in the Middle East, which resulted in these guns continuing to pop up in Third World hot spots through the Cold War. Undoubtedly, some still survive in the hands of isolated warlords in places where travel advisories persist.

The Swedes kept their early Walther model guns in service through the 1950s and liquidated them on the surplus market, replaced by the excellent m/45 Swedish K-gun. Later Junker made guns began popping up as surplus at the same time. This allowed a few to trickle into the U.S. in their original select-fire versions, though the ones that are here are C&R eligible.

Perhaps the last government to use the Bergmann 32/34/35 series was Thailand, who inherited the guns from the old pre-war Siam contract. Curiously, the ministry of justice used one of these guns in a remote-control set up for delivering the death penalty. Once triggered by the executioner, an MP34 would stitch up to 15 rounds across the back of a condemned prisoner and proved effective enough to remain in service through 1984– when a suppressed HK MP5 replaced it.

Finally, these guns enjoyed have popped up from time to time on the big screen including a number of 1960s French gangster movie and, most notably, in the hands of tough guy Lee Marvin in the second installment of the Dirty Dozen franchise.

Getting your own

With fewer than 50,000 of Emil Bergman’s MPs ever produced when you combine the S&L, Walther and Junker’s lines from 1932-45, these guns are fairly rare. Complete and original versions in the U.S. can go for over $5K even in dewatted condition as proved by a 2008 example from the Stern collection. Functional examples are several times that amount if transferable.

A dug relic

Parts kits are floating around for less and, when coupled with gently modded UZI mags (as you can’t find functional Bergmann OEs) can make a functional semi-auto provided you can construct a receiver.

For more information on these interesting guns, which have largely been lost to history, please consult Maxim Popenker’s excellent World Guns site and Ian McCollum’s Forgotten Weapons.

Further, there is one in the collection at Springfield Armory.

A trophy Sterling-Patchett, with an interesting back story

The Sterling-Patchett Mk 5 was a silenced version of the Sterling Submachine-gun. The modification was the work of George Patchett, who had originally designed the Sterling itself. The Mk 5 was adopted by the British armed forces as the Gun, Sub-machine, 9mm L34A1.

This is the commercially sold version with a “crinkle” finish, which featured a wooden foregrip to protect the firer’s hand from the integral suppressor unit, which became hot from the propellant gas which vented into it upon firing:

Copyright: © IWM. Original Source: http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30029460

This particular gun was captured from Argentinian forces during the 1982 Falklands Conflict by the British Army in June 1982 along with 20,000~ other sundry surrendered arms. It was issued (along with standard versions of the Sterling SMG) to the Argentine Marines, and was most notably used by their assault commandos – the Buzos Tacticos – during the initial stages of the Argentine invasion.

These Royal Marines of Naval Party 8901, seen outside of Government House during the Argentine invasion, would later return to the Falklands as part of 42 Commando and settle scores, being the first unit to raise the Union Jack at the compound.

I bet Hugo Schmeisser is rolling and spinning

There, under the Krinkov, is a German StG44 in exploded view, which would probably be OK on any monument except that of Mikhail Kalashnikov

As I covered over at Guns.com, the Russians spent 35 million rubles (about $580K US) on a sprawling monument to the late firearms engineer Mikhail Kalashnikov that was unveiled in Moscow last week. Besides a nearly 30-foot high statue of Kalashnikov, the base of a monument to St. Mikhail, the Orthodox patron of gunsmiths and warriors, contains a representation of several of the engineer’s designs including an AK42 sub gun, AK47, AKM and AK74 rifles, as well as RPK and PK machine guns.

However, as noted by some sharp-eyed firearms enthusiasts and reported by Russian-based Kalashnikov magazine, just under a Krinkov AKS-74U is what appears to be the parts diagram for a German StG-44 Sturmgewehr.

Which some (notably outside of the Motherland) have contended that the AK was based on for decades.

This has caused understandable heartburn in Russia, and, as Russian firearms wonks pile on to disagree with the lineage of the AK– noting it is as Russian as a Florida pirated movie salesman, the offending diagram has been torched out.

You are going to like this if you are into odd Russian gatts

From somewhere deep in the Old World’s borscht belt, a Russian with a rough haircut shows off the APS auto pistol and the PP-90 and PP-91 sub guns:

Sgt. Kirill Gorgoth lays mitts first on the wacky Stechkin APS automatic pistol, a hopped-up Makarov-ish handgun capable of dropping 9x18mm at 750rpm.

Next, he rolls deep with the PP-90 folding subgun which looks like a wonky VHS– because VHS is apparently still a thing in the USSR Russia.

Kirill then finishes with a Kedr PP-91 submachine gun, a handy (12-inches folded) blowback SMG designed by Evgeny Dragunov of SVD fame that can rat-a-tat at 1,000rpm.

Eye and ear pro? Nyet. Putin’s workout gloves and sweet full-auto action? Da. So much da.

The evolution of the mighty, mighty Owen

In the darkest days of WWII, 24-year-old Pvt. Evelyn Ernest Owen, with 2/17 Battalion of the Australian Army, from Wollongong, New South Wales, submitted a homemade gun he made to the Army for testing.

His handy burp gun used a gramophone spring, was chambered in .22 rimfire, and was rejected.

But he kept working on the design, and, in full production by 1943, proved one of the most popular of WWII submachine guns– at least in Commonwealth service in the Pacific.

More in my column at Guns.com.

You do know the Standschutze Hellriegel, don’t you?

Historical Firearms has a good piece on the the Austro-Hungarian Standschutze Hellriegel submachine gun. Apparently this mad bulky water cooled (!) burp gun was developed during 1915 and blended pistol caliber ammunition with the firepower of a machine gun making it one of the first weapons which could be considered an SMG.

When you think SMG, you don't really think something with the same portability as a Vickers Maxim with 1/10th the range

When you think SMG, you don’t really think something with the same portability as a Vickers Maxim with 1/10th the range

Dig the assistant gunner with the leather and wood frame spare mag carrier

Dig the assistant gunner waiting patently with the leather and wood frame spare mag carrier

That looks easy to load

That looks easy to load

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